CASH: IX Shiryaevo Biennale of Contemporary Art



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Мартин Роджерс | Martin Rogers

domestic acoustic 2
installation, moving diaprojections, sound

the monologue of martin rogers from videoproject «the difference»
video tape, shirjaevo, russia, 2001; decoding done in almaty 2001.

Cook yourself,: a description of food:
How things taste: And if you don't prepare food yourself: and if you don't make food preparations yourself: then you have no idea about how things taste, and I think this is really important to: first, people can cook and understand food, and then they can make food for others.

So today I'm trying this dish.
(Pouring something)
And of course you ought to drink too.


I think much of cooking you learn from your parents and your family, how you were brought up, it makes a lot of difference to the: to the country where you eat. And this is important.


And maybe too the important thing is to know where the food comes from and to understand how it grows. I think it's important too: to see how plants grow: You understand sometimes how it should be prepared. Then you can choose the best examples of what you see growing for making the best meal.


Sometimes it's important to know where things come from. Some things those are unusual. But: if you have an understanding of cooking, then you also have an understanding of how things taste.
So: and the drink: (pouring), toast.
Then it's important to travel in the world, to understand how it functions.
I think, perhaps with the communication now it is too easy to see how another place in the world exists, to see it on TV. But it's not the same as being somewhere, somewhere different, so if there are opportunities to experience these places, eh: this opportunity needs to be taken.


I've traveled so much and seen so many other parts of the world.


And when I think of all the differences: everyone eats, everyone maybe sits at the table, so many things are the same.


So I think, what I was just saying about, how you grew up, if you were part of a big family, and the sharing of things in a family is important. If you're alone, if you grew up with no family, then you're missing a number of things in the world. But, if you experience some kind of sharing things, then this is a different experience.

(Pause) (Rooster crowing)


And maybe too, our differences, if you live (coughs): I think if you live in a city or in a country - to what I was saying before about understanding food, for example. If you live in a city, your experience of food is different because your experience of living is different. You have to work with so many people. And if you live in a small community, this is a different kind of experience of growing up. Maybe you only relate to a small number of people, like a family, well, like a large family. Then this is a different experience.

I would say the ideal is probably to try living most in both. The irony is that if you live in a city with many people, many people around you, but: that you don't know: you never come near them: perhaps only a few: But it's one of the ironies. But the problem is that if you live in a small town or village, then one's experience is limited.

So there is no solution, I think. You have to be in both places at the same time and so: maybe you can experience one and then the other. This might be a compromise.

(Rooster crowing)

Drink always helps to: maybe we should drink to drink, this might not be a bad idea. I think everyone's in the world feels that drink is a good thing, and maybe drink you have is not the one you expect, but I think everyone understands what a drink does. So cheers.

So what I was saying about being in some place in the world and also the kind of community you grow up in, it's quite important.


I was thinking that: I think too if you have children, this too is a: A different kind of experience. Because when you're a child yourself, maybe you don't understand so much. You just live for the moment.

And then when you have children yourself, you can see this different experience. You have to learn again. So then when you have a child and you have a baby, you see this growing, it's like you have to learn about life again: you can say that you see life all over again, you see it from the beginning, and you have to learn to: you have to learn to... or you have to remember, I think, the experience s that you had when you were young, and you have to be tolerant of how other people respond. So: the children are like a huge learning curve as you have to learn again how to live, you have to learn how to react to people, just to be tolerant, like I said. It's a new experience.

Here I have a little toast to the experience of having children. This is something that: it's like no other experience in the world, I think. It's like you have to learn everything again. So I'll drink to the idea of new families starting again to learn. And what I was thinking earlier about seeing other places in the world, also this idea of the family, I think, is also the same everywhere. People have the same kind of reaction to children and family, wherever they are.




And then when I think about -- I'm not sure-when I think about what happens in the end. I feel I've probably done enough in my life. I feel: in a way, I don't mind how it ends: Like it'll happen some time and some place, I'm not fatalistic, but somehow you have no control of these things. And life ends and ends, and you can only be thankful to what you've done so far.



I think it's pretty important just to relax. What happens next -- in some respect you can control this. You can say "I want to do this, I want to do that, I want to be here, I want to be there:" It's O.K., but sometimes: sometimes you find you're in a place where you have no control of it, or you have no experience. And then you're reduced to a kind of: you have to respond to a kind of instinct. And I think this is interesting. The idea of instinct is something that's very interesting, I think: Maybe in your experience in the past some time you have learned something, you have learned how to react, how to respond, but instinct is something a little bit more unusual. It seems you go deeper into the experience of the world, and maybe: you're making a little more natural reaction to a situation. Or something happens to you in a place you're at, or: some kind of a reaction to danger or something threatening. Then instinct comes to the surface, and you have to rely on this. Maybe: you're more like an animal. One has a feeling that, maybe, an animal has no feelings, not like human beings, but there is something basic about how respond to things. This is very interesting which is called instinct. Something you have no control over. It is a kind of chemical reaction in the body.


That's why an instinct is an instinct, right?


Or maybe it could be an instinct is a what I was saying earlier-about how you learn from a family. Maybe there is something to it in a way you grow up. Maybe it's an interesting philosophical question. Maybe something Darwin would have been interested in. About whether instinct is something you learn or whether it's something that is inside everybody. I don't know, I don't know the answer to this. So: There maybe a theory.

Maybe something is made entirely of instinct, I have no idea.

So: another toast to, what do we say, a celebration of instinct of life.

It's interesting how is it you learn about things, what does this process come from. I don't know the answer. But: of course you can learn about things in an institution, at school, university these are places you learn, but you can't learn (inaudible) at an institution, they don't exist. So how it is that you know about these things, I don't know.
We don't need to learn. It is not necessary to learn. (Says something in Russian)
Maybe education is important to people to understand how things work, how to do this or do that, and how to respond to people. But also maybe you don't need to have a formal education. You can just learn from your family or - like I said -- a village, or if you can encounter people in places, you can learn from this.
Some people believe that especially you can educate your family in the home, I think it's a difficult proposition. But: some people do it, so: maybe this is possible.


I think everywhere probably the idea of schools is important. One is that: in places in the world: everyone tries to help schools. Of course there are many places where this just doesn't happen, so it's not important. There are other priorities.
I don't know if there is an answer to that :It's not a question, it's just that somehow education is kind of priority everywhere in the world. Young children must be educated, must learn things. I don't know whether this is correct or not. I have no idea.


So maybe it's time to have another toast.
So what do we toast to? We toast to education or to companionship, maybe?
To an understanding of: how things could be. Why not?
I don't know who has the responsibility for the development of education in the world. Maybe this is with governments or maybe with: maybe it should just be a natural reaction.


So my final toast:

Cheers...(End of tape)